Posted on March 16 at 4:56 a.m.Suggest removal

mustafa

Religion has sweet bugger-all to do with morality. It has NEVER been a source of morality.

Think about it:

The big 10.

Of them you have:

Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not perjure.

The rest are actually unconstitutional in most Western Democracies, or contrary to current Western values.

Respect thy elders, for example, doesn't exactly wash in a society where children are expected to speak up for themselves if they are being abused.

Those three on the other hand, well the Bible doesn't actually claim to originate them - you only get slaves in a society with the concept of property, perjury has always been frowned upon in all legal systems and Moses, who was the adoptive brother of the Pharoah, was run out of Egypt for murdering someone.

Our current morality contains concepts which are completely different to the Bible.

The Bible says kids should be killed for backchat - do that today and you will be had up for murder. Rape, in the Bible, is perfectly fine within a marriage. In current day law, it is still rape.

Unbelievers are to be burned like dry twigs. Nice.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live - Yeah, nowadays you start killing people for being witches? Not exactly smiled upon.

Even those rapture ready Christians who think life is sacred (At least until it is actually breathing for itself) aren't biblically correct: A child isn't given its soul until its first breath according to the Bible, and it can be read that the Bible doesn't really think it is a child until after its first month out of the womb.

And that kind of makes their whole thing in favour of single mothers giving birth rather than aborting particularly bad: A bastard shall not enter the gates of heaven even unto the tenth generation.

So what they have actually done is condemned that child to an eternity in hell, because they didn't abort it - this is of course, assuming you think that the vile, sick and perverted torture loving kiddy killing genocidal megalomaniac described by the Bible actually exists.

God in real terms is the ultimate villain protagonist.

Morality isn't exactly the Bible's strong suit.

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Posted on March 12 at 2:03 a.m.Suggest removal

Mesocyclone

Lets start with Article 6 of the US constitution:

"but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Earlier, it says that:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; <b>and all treaties made</b>, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land."

Why is this important?

In the period 1796 to 1797, the US signed a treaty with Tripoli. John Adams, a founding father, sent it to be ratified.

Article 11 of this treaty had this to say on the issue, and remember treaties are the supreme law of the land on a par with the US constitution: <b>As the Government of the United States of America is not, <i>in any sense</i>, founded on the Christian religion</b>...

And that isn't even going into how, just to hammer the point home, the founding fathers adopted the first ammendment.

Now, you claim to have studied US history, or at least claim those who disagree with you haven't. Well, I can't help but come to the conclusion that if this is so, you don't show much of the very <i>human</i> value of honesty in your post.

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